Legislature(1995 - 1996)

03/17/1995 09:01 AM Senate HES

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 SHES - 3/17/95                                                                
                                                                               
          SB  98 PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT OF 1995                         
                                                                               
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN called the Senate Health, Education and Social                 
 Services (HESS) Committee to order at 9:01 a.m. and introduced                
  SB 98  as the first order of business before the committee.  The             
 Chair called Ms. Babcock to review the sectional analysis on the              
 bill.                                                                         
                                                                               
 SENATOR MILLER moved that the CS for SB 98, Lauterbach 3/16/95, be            
 adopted in lieu of the original bill.  Hearing no objection, it was           
 adopted.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 025                                                                    
                                                                               
 PORTIA BABCOCK, Staff to Senator Green, reviewed the sectional                
 analysis prepared by Legislative Counsel Terri Lauterbach, of                 
 Legislative Legal Services, which was submitted to the committee.             
                                                                               
 Number 074                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN noted that the bill may need to be amended to                  
 specify "are federal allowable minimum", if that is the intent of             
 the committee.                                                                
                                                                               
 Number 079                                                                    
                                                                               
 MS. BABCOCK continued with her review of the sectional analysis.              
                                                                               
 Number 245                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN asked Ms. Babcock if she had checked with the                   
 department to determine if just having the name of the parent is              
 sufficient for tracking responsibilities.                                     
                                                                               
 Number 255                                                                    
                                                                               
 MS. BABCOCK responded that the Child Support Enforcement Division             
 (CSED) would be required to legally establish paternity prior to              
 approval of benefits.  That can take up to two years.  She does not           
 believe that was the intent.  Perhaps there should be clarification           
 that this does not mean that legal paternity must be established              
 prior to providing any kind of assistance.  Applicants need to name           
 both parents on the application in order to get the process moving.           
 Receiving more than just a name is intended; as much information as           
 possible, including the last known address, should be provided.               
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN asked Ms. Babcock to check on that.                             
 Number 279                                                                    
                                                                               
 MS. BABCOCK continued with her review of the sectional analysis of            
 SB 98.                                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 287                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR SALO asked Ms. Babcock if the examples looked at in other             
 states were part of statute.  She suggested that outlining the                
 "Personal Responsibility Statement" in regulations would more                 
 appropriate.                                                                  
                                                                               
 MS. BABCOCK could not recall if that was in statute, or in                    
 regulation in other states.  She would check on that.  That section           
 might also be affected by legislation currently being worked on by            
 Congress.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 302                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN commented that perhaps the legislation needed to be            
 less specific on that point.                                                  
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN suggested that if the department did not want that,             
 then the committee may want to offer substantial guidelines.                  
                                                                               
 Number 313                                                                    
                                                                               
 MS. BABCOCK continued with her review of the sectional analysis for           
 SB 98.                                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 392                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR SALO asked Ms. Babcock where "in the project area" would              
 be.  MS. BABCOCK pointed out that page 16, line 17 of SB 98                   
 addresses that.                                                               
                                                                               
 Number 417                                                                    
                                                                               
 MS. BABCOCK continued with her review of the sectional analysis for           
 SB 98.                                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 507                                                                    
                                                                               
 JIM NORDLUND, Director of the Division of Public Assistance, stated           
 that the administration just received the committee substitute last           
 night and would like time to review the bill in order to establish            
 a position.  He stated that there are some sections of SB 98 the              
 administration finds acceptable, others they find unacceptable, and           
 some would merit discussion.  He suggested working with committee             
 staff on language clarification and intent clarification.  SB 98 is           
 a huge bill and will have a dramatic effect on the management of              
 programs within the Division of Public Assistance as well as some             
 of the other programs.  He informed the committee that 200 hundred            
 staff hours were spent on the preparation of the fiscal note for              
 the governor's public aid legislation, and SB 98 is bigger than               
 that.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 533                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN said that was fine; the committee plans to hold the            
 legislation for further work anyway.                                          
                                                                               
 Number 542                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR SALO recommended that the governor's legislation be before            
 the committee at the same time as SB 98 in order to juxtapose both            
 pieces of legislation.                                                        
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN announced that on Wednesday, March 22, and Friday,             
 March 24, the committee will hear SB 98.                                      
                                                                               
 Number 549                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. NORDLUND expressed concern that SB 98 with the suggested                  
 demonstration projects would be affected by any changes in federal            
 law.  Demonstration projects are experimental, and care should be             
 taken when considering universal application.  Demonstration                  
 projects may not even serve the ends the committee is trying to               
 achieve.  Mr. Nordlund suggested waiting until the passage of                 
 federal legislation, and then develop programs.                               
                                                                               
 Number 562                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN responded she understood Mr. Nordlund's concern, but           
 the legislature should look agressively at workfare.                          
                                                                               
 Number 564                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. NORDLUND commented that there are some programs such as                   
 workfare that the committee would want to consider regardless.                
 There are some programs that may or may not work, like the                    
 diversion project.  He noted that both the administration and the             
 legislature think that would be a good idea.  Perhaps committing to           
 a program on a statewide basis should not happen until it is known            
 whether the program would work or not.                                        
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN asked Mr. Nordlund to explain again what did not               
 like about the workfare project.                                              
                                                                               
 MR. NORDLUND clarified that he was not commenting that he disliked            
 the workfare project.  He explained that the blanket legislation              
 applying everything on a statewide needed to be reviewed.                     
                                                                               
 Number 573                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN requested that Mr. Nordlund specify which programs he           
 does not think should be applied statewide for the next committee             
 hearing.                                                                      

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